tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34141007.post6953649081291373146..comments2023-08-25T08:59:37.703-07:00Comments on Ponte Vista Blog: INCREDIBLE! as in NOT CREDIBLE!M Richardshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08644940232494534872noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34141007.post-11170956861377275002007-04-19T19:31:00.000-07:002007-04-19T19:31:00.000-07:00Amen anon 10:09PM. But I'm with Tom's approach. ...Amen anon 10:09PM. <BR/>But I'm with Tom's approach. He's a smart man ya know. We need to work with Bobby and develop a compromise that Bobby will accept and then thank him when he accepts.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34141007.post-50184350887307530622007-04-15T22:09:00.000-07:002007-04-15T22:09:00.000-07:00Tell bisNO and his shills to move WAY OFF the ridi...Tell bisNO and his shills to move WAY OFF the ridiculous, not-gonna-happen figure of 2300, and then reasoned discussions can begin. This developer's propaganda, spin and bogus "poll" are crudely transparent. I know developers have City Hall in their pockets, but if Hahn thinks those us who vote are buying this developer's BS, she is badly miscalculating.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34141007.post-32815393267223747092007-04-15T21:31:00.000-07:002007-04-15T21:31:00.000-07:00Anonymous 8:10pmYes, of course I've been to the pl...Anonymous 8:10pm<BR/><BR/>Yes, of course I've been to the places you've mentioned. I think the parking there sucks. I do not want that for us either. But on the other hand, have you watched the way people drive around town? Goodness gracious, it's no wonder we have traffic backed up. Lights go green and people wait for the count of 10 before moving. And each car after them does the same. I've said it in my description of my ideas for mitigations of 5-Points. It really is TRAFFIC FLOW, more than raw number of cars.<BR/><BR/>As far as how the project was presented, I have to agree with you there also. Do you remember the article Doug Epperhart wrote? The open letter to what's-his-name, oh yeah, Eric Hoffman, asking him if he had a concussion? It is just my opinion and maybe I'm too sensitive, but Hoffman sure put me off. It seemed everything he said was with this condescending tone towards us "local yokels". Like what could we possibly know; and they would show us how they knew better than we did about what wass best for our community. Arrogance just oozed from his pores. Bisno would have better relations with the local community now, if his "vice-president" had not been so arrogant then.<BR/><BR/>As far as our responsibility to present alternatives, you are right, we don't have any. But that is why the CAC was formed. So doesn't it make sense to give some input that would eventually go to the Planning Department and maybe get us some features we like, instead of just sitting on our hands and hoping to not get screwed too badly?Tomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17267937914532269011noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34141007.post-14753317582605082342007-04-15T20:10:00.000-07:002007-04-15T20:10:00.000-07:00yes, random lengths has gone easy on bisno develop...yes, random lengths has gone easy on bisno development. this i can say with certainty. nothing overt has ever been communicated to reporters, but anything harshly critical of the developer received close scrutiny by the publisher.<BR/> <BR/>hey tom:<BR/>as i said before 700-1000 units works for me. but it's really not the job of the people who oppose 2,300 units to come up with ideas for something else. we who are opposed to 2,300 units aren't the ones developing the project. bisno could have saved everybody's time if he approached the manner in a different fashion. but hey, that's how he wants it, that's how it'll be. <BR/><BR/>anybody who is, at this point, siding with bisno development should have their head examined. have you been to Long Beach lately Tom? Ever tried to find parking in Alamitos Beach, or Downtown for that matter? it's a joke. but hey, if that's what you want for Pedro, that's fine with me. just count me out.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34141007.post-90937456403287907692007-04-15T13:22:00.000-07:002007-04-15T13:22:00.000-07:00Let's introduce a novel concept - the use of a dic...Let's introduce a novel concept - the use of a dictionary. According to the American Dicitionary "histrionics" is "Exaggerated emotional behavior calculated for effect."<BR/><BR/>Lumping together articles that were written by Bisno with articles or letters written by people who support the project and maintaining that they were, for all intents and purposes written or ghost-written by Bisno, exactly fits this definition.<BR/><BR/>Everyone has the right to express their opinion. Whether that opinion gets published or not is a decision made by the editors of the Daialy Breeze. To attribute the publication to undue influence is more histrionics.<BR/><BR/>I'm sorry Anonymous 6:04pm, but you have misused the word. If you examine the definition you'll see the one word "emotional" which makes your use incorrect. Bisno might be a lot of things, but his dissemination of information favorable to his project is anything but "emotional". It is coldly calculated. Call it "propaganda" if you like, but definitely not histrionic.<BR/><BR/>But the point is, it is us, the residents of San Pedro who are reacting with strong emotional content. We (at least some of us)are the one's being histionic.<BR/><BR/>Every time we dig in our heels and say no to everything except R-1, we walk right into the trap. Why don't people who oppose 2300 units come up with ideas for somethng else? Other than Mark and myself, there have not been any other detailed plans published on this blog. If you don't give your input, you can't cry when the decisions are made without you.Tomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17267937914532269011noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34141007.post-50298912627211189122007-04-15T09:00:00.000-07:002007-04-15T09:00:00.000-07:00Howdy anonymous 6:04,Do you think Random Lengths h...Howdy anonymous 6:04,<BR/><BR/>Do you think Random Lengths has also been too soft on Bob? One gets the chance to view a full page ad from the Ponte Vista folks with every edition of R.L. and I wonder if the editorial staff have "suggested" to reporters that they "go soft" on Ponte Vista issues for fear of losing the revenue a full page ad brings in.<BR/>MWM Richardshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08644940232494534872noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34141007.post-34708592439355240342007-04-15T08:51:00.000-07:002007-04-15T08:51:00.000-07:00Dear Anonymous 11:37 -- Mr. Wagoner did indeed mis...Dear Anonymous 11:37 -- <BR/><BR/>Mr. Wagoner did indeed misstate some facts. There were, by my count, two letters to the editor from people opposed to Mr. Bisno's current plans -- the author of this blog and a woman who is now supporting the R-1 group. <BR/><BR/>But it's interesting to see that you "agree with" me. Because if you did, you'd agree that Bisno Development has leveled massive amounts of "histrionics" within the community, including his fanciful claim that $101.5 million will be spent within a 5 mile radius.<BR/><BR/>If you really did agree with me, you'd be calling for 700-1000 units to be built at Ponte Vista. is that something you'd be willing to do? <BR/><BR/>On the larger point of whether the Breeze has been deferential to Mr. Bisno, the answer is "yes" it absolutely has been. So in that regard, Mr. Wagoner was correct. <BR/><BR/>signed,<BR/>anonymous 6:04Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34141007.post-29342339865757479792007-04-15T00:21:00.000-07:002007-04-15T00:21:00.000-07:00I just recalled; last week was the full-page ad h...I just recalled; last week was the full-page ad hyping the results of his "poll" that showed "support" for his "proposed development." So last week it was just a column from someone ELSE supporting the project; this week it was just another in a long run of free-publicity guest columns. Few mentions in two weeks from the opposing side, which doesn't get free dinners to go to a public meeting as the pro-Bisno side does.<BR/><BR/>At least I sign my name to my posts, 6:04 and 11:37. <BR/><BR/>Richard WagonerAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34141007.post-12966664476220175512007-04-15T00:08:00.000-07:002007-04-15T00:08:00.000-07:00Oh, so the "Restrictive R1 Zoning" guest column by...Oh, so the "Restrictive R1 Zoning" guest column by Bisno on page 11 of today's More San Pedro, and the pro-Bisno column written by him (or maybe it was a supporter) on page 2 of last week's More San Pedro were only in my issues? I didn't realize I get personalized copies of the Breeze. That's a nice touch. Few papers do that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34141007.post-19039296405992032652007-04-14T23:37:00.000-07:002007-04-14T23:37:00.000-07:00I agree with Anonymous 6:04pm. Someone needs to c...I agree with Anonymous 6:04pm. Someone needs to check their facts. Bisno has not written a piece for some weeks. Just more histrionics by the R-1 crowd. If you are going to criticize a person, at least do it for what they actually did. But I guess the R-1 crownd can't be bothered with minor points like facts.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34141007.post-37267604873269047572007-04-14T18:04:00.000-07:002007-04-14T18:04:00.000-07:00It would appear you've misstated some facts Mr. Wa...It would appear you've misstated some facts Mr. Wagoner.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34141007.post-23510716777662984322007-04-14T11:05:00.000-07:002007-04-14T11:05:00.000-07:00I am getting very annoyed with the pro-Bisno stanc...I am getting very annoyed with the pro-Bisno stance the Breeze has been taking, especially lately. TWO Bisno-written columns in TWO weeks, ONLY pro-project letters this week, etc. etc.<BR/><BR/>One more free ad for Bisno and I am cancelling the paper ... and my family has taken the paper since it began.<BR/><BR/>Richard WagonerAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com