Bob Bisno has written a letter to members of Janice Hahn's Community Advisory Committee.
I received a copy of the letter not from any member of the committee, but it is a genuine copy of the letter.
I am going to copy a portion of the letter that suggests to me that Bob is still attempting to manipulate the committee members and is seeming to "threaten" that some amenities might not be included if committee members choose to recommend "1,200 to1,300 units".
I will copy portions of Page 3 and 4 of the letter Bob sent to committee members and cc to Ms. Janice Hahn:
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B. The Committee's Recommendation on Project Size
At the June 18th meeting where we presented our revised proposal, the Committee took a straw poll regarding the number of units in the project, and I understand that you will be discussing the issue further at this evening's meeting. I recognize that the majority of the Committee expressed interest in supporting a project with approximately 1,200 to 1,300 units. There are compelling reasons, however, for providing a higher density that it is important for the Committee to consider before it makes any final recommendation. I would also comment that the factors that make any project viable and beneficial to a community go beyond simple unit count.
To begin with, a density of 1,200 total units would not support the broad range of housing prices that is possible with the density of our revised proposal (which is approximately 32 units per acre). Lower density housing consumes greater land area per unit, resulting in higher sales prices and association fees. Therefore, the unit prices targeted at "workforce" households would not be possible with a 1,200 unit project. Similarly, dramatically reducing the density of the project while retaining the public benefits and amenities desired by the Committee and the community, would place the price of senior units beyond the reach of all but the most affluent senior households. We have added 100 lower density, 3-story townhomes to Ponte Vista in response to the Committee's interest in lower density home ownership opportunities, but these will be among the most expensive units at Ponte Vista. Lower density units also increase - not decrease - trip generation as acknowledged by the ULI and ITE.
Second, a 1,200 unit project would not support the community amenities and community benefits that are one of the hallmarks of Ponte Vista. Because lower density housing consumes greater area, less land would be available ro common amenities and open space. In addition, the cost of amenities and public benefits (such as the road to Mary Star, public park, and community trust fund) would need to be spread out among a smaller number of families, resulting in significant surcharges on both sales prices and homeowner association fees. Units laden with such surcharges would not be competitive in the housing market, and would not be a realistic option for any developer. That this is a reality and not merely my opinion was demonstrated by your tours of other actual projects in the area. All of the lower density developments visited, such at the Cape, Enclave, Bay Harbor, or Stonehaven, provide little in the way of common amenities and open space for their residents, and none of them provide any public amenities or community benefits.
While individuals may prefer varying levels of density, the density proposed by the revised proposal is necessary to achieve three of the key goals of many on the Committee and in the community: 1) a diverse range of home ownership opportunities, including options for seniors and workforce housing; 2) premium amenities and open spaces that will provide these diverse households with a unique and highly desirable community; and 3) significant public benefits that go beyond the mitigation of the project's impacts.
Conclusion
For all these reasons, I respectfully request that before the Committee takes any final action it give fair and serious consideration to our revised proposal, and that it consider the need for an adequate density that will actually support the inclusion of workforce housing, senior housing, and the many amenities and benefits the community desires. I also ask that any report the Committee issues acknowledge the work we have done together, and the many changes we have made in a good faith effort to address concerns you have raised. A fair, thoughtful and balanced process is the best assurance we have for a viable and beneficial project at Ponte Vista.
Thank you again for your time and effort.
Very truly yours,
(signed) Robert H. Bisno
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Where oh where should we begin?
I guess some folks will read what Bob wrote and suggest that for the past ten months and on into the future it was always and will continue to be Bob's way or no way, no matter what the CAC recommends.
Others may remind Bob about whether he can spell "speculation".
As far as I read these portions of the letter, it looks like no matter what the Committee's majority or minority report recommends, Bob wasn't going to use either of them, anyway.
It looks like Bob is threatening to pull amenities and public benefits if he doesn't get what he wants.
He also tries to claim that he was respectful and realistic when he lowered his total unit count by 350 units. That sure didn't sound respectful or realistic to his opponents and many of his own supporters, does it?
Build it my way or else, seems to be what Bob is instructing the members of the CAC to recommend. This must be because he knows so much more about OUR community than the thirteen members who live in OUR community, some for all of their lives. How respectful is that?
Bob's letter is providing even more reasons not to change the current zoning at Ponte Vista, I believe. He seems to be attempting to manipulate recommendations that haven't even been made yet, and continue to control the actions of the CAC.
So many people claim there is a need for housing in our area, yet the only housing Bob seems willing to build is what he wants to build and not what may truly be needed in OUR community.
If housing is needed so badly, then why didn't he propose bare-bones housing types, with more reasonable pricing to a greater number of potential residents? Why is he trying to build a premium development when so many folks believe there is such a need for more housing in the area, that there should be a development of less than premium housing and amenities built?
He still want to build Cadillacs for folks who think we really need Chevrolets, it seems to me.
I hope you read what Bob wrote, both the lines written and your thoughts of what Bob really meant between the lines.
32 units per acre with his revised proposal is still about 2-1/2 times the density of The Gardens and I believe it is greater that the Apartment development he is modeling Ponte Vista like, which is in Newport Beach.
Bob's attempts to dismiss proposals made by Jerry Gaines (1,225-units) and John Greenwood (893-units) demonstrate that Bob will not be willing to accept any recommendation that the CAC makes. He seems to be broadcasting that fact even before the CAC has voted on a recommendation concerning density.
Bob wants the Committee to review his new proposal as much as possible, but still be finished with their work by July 24, I feel. How can the CAC review and make realistic, reasonable, and responsible comments on his proposal and at the same time come up with their own recommendations concerning density.
The bath water has grown cold over these last ten months. It became apparent early on that Bob was most probably going to throw the baby out with the bath water and his letter seems to prove that. At least he should have respected the family that is the Committee enough to throw out the baby with warm bath water instead of waiting until the poor baby died of hypothermia , so long ago.
5 comments:
Why, exactly, would fewer units mean less open space? Is he saying that he intends to use up all the area no matter how many units are built, he'll just space them farther apart?
Kara
Thanks Kara, for your comments.
I think it is fair to believe that if R1 remains at Ponte Vista there would be many fewer units built and because each lot consumes so much space, there would be less open space for the public to enjoy.
I can imagine that is only 1,200 square feet of a lot has a foundation of an R1 dwelling on it, there would be much more open space, but it would be privately held.
Bob seemed to be suggesting by his letter on June 28, to the members of the CAC, that if a smaller desity development was approved of, then he would not be willing to provide the amenities and public benefits of more open spaces, than he has promised with his too huge project.
I think this is one more way Bob is threatening the CAC and OUR community to recommend that his vision of Ponte Vista be built and to heck with everything else.
I know you continue to write on that other blog and have commented how comments seem to have dried up on his blog. It seems comments have been sparse on this blog, too. Perhaps it is because what can anyone really write about when trying to deal with a developer who simply won't listen to and learn from resients who have been living in the area for many years and really believe they know more about OUR community that Bob does.
I sometimes have trouble thinking about what next to write on this blog, but then Bob comes through with another letter or "promise" that cannot be believed or is too outrageous, and then I have new material to write about.
It could be that folks are tired fo dealing with Bob and arguments supporting his plans. Maybe many folks are relying on R1 supporters to speak, write, and lobby on their behalf. That will certainly continue.
We are still gathering signatures but seem to have more trouble encountering supporters of Bob's simply because they don't seem to be around or willing to defend his plans.
Today we were at McCowan's, which has been remodeled and is wonderful. We encountered zero supporters of Bob's willing to state that they supported Bob's current plans.
We did meet some folks who wanted senior housing or "affordable" housing built at Ponte Vista, but some of them appeared so disgusted with Bob that they signed the R1 petition. Nobody said they were "for Bob's plans" during our petition gathering day, today.
It could be that folks are going to try and enjoy their summer by not dealing with the Ponte Vista debate. I can defend that when I request that, at community events, we hold off debate and arguments for or against Ponte Vista. While I have called for and would defend a petition gathering table be set up at Cabrillo Beach on July 4th to demonstrate what this country stands for with the right to petition the government for redress of grievances, it looks like most R1 supporters will celebrate our independence and not work that table.
R Neighborhoods Are 1 will not be setting up petition gathering locations at Music by the Sea, but there is a Neighborhood Council that may have petitions at their booth at the park and that is their right to do what they wish.
I think folks may hold off more commenting until after July 24, when two recommendation reports will be generated and voted on by the CAC. It looks like there will be a 8 to 5 vote among members of the CAC to support a recommendation for a number of units less than 1,300-units. That will most likely be the majority report from the CAC. The minority report will probably be written by one of the members supporting keeping the zoning as it is at Ponte Vista.
Bob has already stated that he would not like to see any recommendation for "1,200 to 1,300 units", so he is already stating that no matter what the CAC recommends to Ms. Hahn, he won't follow the projected majority report.
If thirteen members of OUR community aren't willing to recommend a development that is any closer to Bob's 1,950-unit count, it says to me that Bob, and not OUR community has gotten it wrong, and he has done so for about two years now.
Bob is either not a very good marketer, or he just doesn't really know OUR community.
MW
when it was navy housing, there were no baseball fields, parks, or anything else avaliable to the public. it was fine with me then and it's fine with me now. i can just keep using what is and has always been avaliable in the area.his little park and ballfield will probably always be full of residents who live there anyway.which is fine, but, the truth is whatever "extras" (bones)he's offering are not worh it. If mary star can't have there road, well, i feel for them, but, frankly that's not my problem. And i attend church there. as for a bus stop, don't make me laugh. Wouldn't they probably put some there anyway? as for anybody using it, another joke. yes, some will ride, but just read today's times to see the article about how people will not abandon their cars even in new housing built within walking distance of good public transit.yesterday's front page of the same paper has an article stating that we just had the least amount of rain here since the 1880's. but, what the hell, let's build 1950 units and really suck the southland dry so bob-o can get rich. really, i think the man's a fool. if he went for lower numbers he could already be well on his way to getting much richer and moving on to the next big money maker. he's an ignorant putz and makes it much easier to feel no sympathy towards him. as for not as many comments lately, what else is there to say that hasn't already been said? who is "tom fields"? i can't read his website anymore. it just is so disingenunious i want to barf.
Well, we have known all along that Bob Bisno was not going to listen to any counsel, but his own.
His actions, his proposals and his June 28th letter only go to prove that point over and over.
He can care less what we need (as if he knew) and what his grandiose plan will cost our communities in the continuing loss of our quality of life.
I certainly agree with anonymous in the previous post. He hit the nail (or nails) right on the head.
It will remain for us to continue to oppose whatever Bob Bisno tries to push down our throats. I, for one, am not willing to sit idly by (nor have I been) and watch Bisno Development steamroll over us and laugh all the way to the bank.
If you have not signed the petition, do so now. If you have not called or emailed Janice Hahn about supporting R-1 zoning at Ponte Vista, do so now. You can also go to www.rneighborhoodsare1.org/2.html to download or print petition forms. Get your neighbors, family and friends to sign them. They will be used now to show support for current zoning, as well as through the planning process that ultimately will land in the city council's lap.
Rip a page out of the Broadcast News movie script and say. "We're mad as hell and we're not going to take it anymore."
It's time to push back and let Bob Bisno and the city government know that when it comes to over the top development like this, we've had enough already.
5,000 units for Ponte Vista!
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